LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

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Re: LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby CarlosDJackal » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:02 pm

Norm wrote:Carlos,

I'm new to bench shooting but here's a few pics of mine.. 200 yards the 178 grain A-Max shined for me. I'm sure I can do better like I said I'm a real rookie when it comes to bench experience.

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Nice. What was the final measurement of that group? It looks to be just over an inch?

My purpose for looking at the CSASS and REPR is for use in F-Class matches shooting in the F/TR category. I currently shoot a Savage Model 12 VLP BDM in .223-Remington. I have a Savage 110FP in 3.08-Winchester that I used to use in Sniper Matches more than a decades ago but wanted to shoot the .223 for the challenge. I want to try using a Semi-Auto .308 for the same reason.

For those unfamiliar with F-Class, in the match you unlimited sighters but only have 20-minutes to shoot 20-rounds for record once you have indicated that you are shooting for record. The F/TR Category only allows for .223/5.56 & .308/7.62 chambered rifles that cannot weigh more than 8.25 kg (about 18 lbs). These can only be shot using a bipod and a rear bag. The target in F-Class matches have an X-ring that is 5" in diameter, 10-ring that is 10" in diameter, 9-ring that is 20" in diameter, and 8-ring that is 30" in diameter and are set at 1000-yards away.

So basically, if you do not have a rifle/ammo combination that cannot consistently print 1/2-MOA (or 5-inches at 1000-yards) you would be wasting your time in F-Class. You might be okay if you can keep your rounds in the 10-ring (10"); but that doesn't give you a lot of wiggle room (ie: for the wind shifts and weather changes and such).

If the CSASS can really do sub-MOA, it might be something I would be willing to try at a match (once I recover financially).
- 10.5" M6A1
- PSD/UCIW
- 10.5" M6A2 (2)
- 14.7" M6IC
- 14.7" M6SL/IC Hybrid
- 16" ODG REPR
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Re: LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby Norm » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:41 pm

Thanks,
I didn't measure it but if it helps those are 1" squares so I would say from center to center at or slightly under an inch at 200 yards. What's odd is that the groups were 2" using 168 and 178 grain at 100 yards. 168 grain wasn't any better at 200 but 178 was.. I will eventually try a different mfg for a 100 yard shooting. I'm willing to bet that the REPR and CSASS use the same barrel.
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Re: LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby troublemaker » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:55 pm

@norm, nice shooting Tex but I wish ppl shot more rounds when evaluating accuracy.
You may have a .5 moa rifle or the stars aligned (and canceling errors) for 6 shots.
Unless it's a match target a few flyers are typical: getting careless with the conditions, distracted by the mall ninja next to you, whatever. The grouping of the rifle will still be evident - unless one just isn't a moa shooter.

@carlos, if the intent is on winning these matches, unfortunately, I think other semis are more accurate. My brother has a gap10 and his results are impressive. Back in the day I beat him in comps but I haven't drove the gap10 and the repr side by side yet.
If the intent is to use (battle rifle) it in comps and not be embarrassed, a repr will work.
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LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby linuxman » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:43 pm

CarlosDJackal wrote:
Norm wrote:Carlos,

I'm new to bench shooting but here's a few pics of mine.. 200 yards the 178 grain A-Max shined for me. I'm sure I can do better like I said I'm a real rookie when it comes to bench experience.

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=15821&start=15


Nice. What was the final measurement of that group? It looks to be just over an inch?

My purpose for looking at the CSASS and REPR is for use in F-Class matches shooting in the F/TR category. I currently shoot a Savage Model 12 VLP BDM in .223-Remington. I have a Savage 110FP in 3.08-Winchester that I used to use in Sniper Matches more than a decades ago but wanted to shoot the .223 for the challenge. I want to try using a Semi-Auto .308 for the same reason.

For those unfamiliar with F-Class, in the match you unlimited sighters but only have 20-minutes to shoot 20-rounds for record once you have indicated that you are shooting for record. The F/TR Category only allows for .223/5.56 & .308/7.62 chambered rifles that cannot weigh more than 8.25 kg (about 18 lbs). These can only be shot using a bipod and a rear bag. The target in F-Class matches have an X-ring that is 5" in diameter, 10-ring that is 10" in diameter, 9-ring that is 20" in diameter, and 8-ring that is 30" in diameter and are set at 1000-yards away.

So basically, if you do not have a rifle/ammo combination that cannot consistently print 1/2-MOA (or 5-inches at 1000-yards) you would be wasting your time in F-Class. You might be okay if you can keep your rounds in the 10-ring (10"); but that doesn't give you a lot of wiggle room (ie: for the wind shifts and weather changes and such).

If the CSASS can really do sub-MOA, it might be something I would be willing to try at a match (once I recover financially).


larue predatobr or a JP if you want to win. Both of these serve as a battle rifle too just cons and pros

Precise but 5" at a 1000 Id score way better with my predatobr than my REPR.

If you want a battle rifle to hang with the top yet have a true battle rifle. REPR all the way
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LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby linuxman » Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:55 am

Darn you LWRC! I didn't want one before as I love my REPR. Now I'll have to have one to join the stable. Just had to let it settle in. Lighter tool does have its purpose. Another tool in toolbox
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Re: LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby 3wolves » Mon May 11, 2015 8:42 am

To answer a previous question, I don't KNOW for certain, but it would appear to me that the CSASS uppers are not compatible with REPR lowers due to the standard charging handle on the CSASS and the REPR lower has a lip that sticks up where a standard CH would be. What I find funny is how the REPR stands for "Rapid Engagement Precision Rifle" and OBR stands for "Optimized Battle Rifle", but the roles should be switched. Regardless my REPR has consistantly produced sub minute groups with 168gr FGMM.
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Re: LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby LoganBetterton » Mon May 11, 2015 9:04 am

The REPR and CSASS will be different platforms. They will not be interchangeable.
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Re: LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby Individual1 » Mon May 25, 2015 9:16 pm

Available July? 16" & 20" will come out at the same time or one before the other?
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Re: LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby unseenone » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:05 am

Patiently waiting.. Also would like to know the specific ammo used to test at LWRCI
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Re: LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby CarlosDJackal » Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:35 pm

Is it ready yet? :D
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- PSD/UCIW
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Re: LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby 3wolves » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:37 am

Timeline anyone? This CSASS is making me drool.
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Re: LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby LoganBetterton » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:06 pm

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Re: LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby Kdog » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:26 pm

Outstanding!!! But when will they be ready to ship?
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Re: LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby Mossyrocks » Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:26 pm

is this for real?
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Re: LWRCI CSASS - I'm starting to want one!!

Postby LoganBetterton » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:26 am

I was told July. The CSASS is no.1 priority right now. The SMG is shortly behind it.
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